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		<title>By: غياب وثغرات قانونية بمدونة الأسرة المغربية &#171; مــدونـة هنــدابـريــس Hindapress Blog</title>
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		<title>By: غياب وثغرات قانونية بمدونة الأسرة المغربية &#171; Hindapress&#39;s Blog</title>
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		<title>By: youssef</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-1426</link>
		<dc:creator>youssef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 20:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe the new law should care about the kids and only the kids ,  and that in case the father have the money to pay child support and don&#039;t want to , but if he can&#039;t afford child support like tons of men in morocco , i believe putting them in jail is not the solution  in this case the government should carry their responsability and take care of the kids , but interfering   the relations between the husband and the wife , and how many women the man can marry ,there is GOD law for that called QURAAN .


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اعتقد ان القانون الجديد يجب أن نهتم الاطفال والاطفال فقط ، وأنه في حال والد لديها المال لدفع دعم الأطفال ولا تريد ، ولكن إذا كان لا يستطيع تحمل مثل دعم الأطفال طن من الرجال في المغرب ، وأعتقد أن وضعها في السجن ليس هو الحل في هذه الحالة يتعين على الحكومة تحمل المسئولية ورعاية الاطفال ، ولكن التدخل في العلاقات بين الزوج والزوجة ، وعدد النساء في الرجل يتزوج ، هناك الله القانون لذلك دعا القرآن..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe the new law should care about the kids and only the kids ,  and that in case the father have the money to pay child support and don&#8217;t want to , but if he can&#8217;t afford child support like tons of men in morocco , i believe putting them in jail is not the solution  in this case the government should carry their responsability and take care of the kids , but interfering   the relations between the husband and the wife , and how many women the man can marry ,there is GOD law for that called QURAAN .</p>
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اعتقد ان القانون الجديد يجب أن نهتم الاطفال والاطفال فقط ، وأنه في حال والد لديها المال لدفع دعم الأطفال ولا تريد ، ولكن إذا كان لا يستطيع تحمل مثل دعم الأطفال طن من الرجال في المغرب ، وأعتقد أن وضعها في السجن ليس هو الحل في هذه الحالة يتعين على الحكومة تحمل المسئولية ورعاية الاطفال ، ولكن التدخل في العلاقات بين الزوج والزوجة ، وعدد النساء في الرجل يتزوج ، هناك الله القانون لذلك دعا القرآن..</p>
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		<title>By: youssef</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-1425</link>
		<dc:creator>youssef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is as best as i can get it to be in arabic , i just used Google translation.

10 يونيو 2010 
01:25 المشكلة هنا مع هذا قانون الأسرة الجديد الذي كان كل خطأ ، والذي يوافق أي وقت مضى هذا القانون يضر المرأة في المغرب أكثر من ذلك ، لأنه قبل أن نبدأ في الحديث عن ما جعل المرأة المغربية متساوية للرجال والحصول على مزيد من الحقوق في حالة الطلاق ، وصانعي القانون ينبغي أن ننظر أولا في البلد بصفة عامة ، في هذا البلد ، بنسبة 90 ٪ من الرجال والنساء ليس لديهم عمل ، والجريمة إلى عنان السماء ، وأكثر من 60 ٪ من النساء لا تنتهي حتى مدرستهم الثانوية ، 10 ٪ من المغاربة غنية جدا و 90 ٪ ماتوا فقراء ، لا توجد طبقة وسطى ، في ذلك البلد قبل بدء البرلمان للتفكير في حق المرأة في حالة الطلاق ، يجب أن تخجل الأول ، تأكد من أن 100 ٪ من النساء الذهاب الى المدرسة الإلزامية والحصول على الأقل مدرسة عالية ، فيجب عليهم اعطاء المرأة لأول مرة الرعاية الطبية والعناية بالأسنان ، وفرص العمل ، ولكن هناك على الاطلاق اي تهتم المرأة الصحة والتعليم وفرص العمل في المغرب ، وهذا هو ينطبق حتى على الرجل المغربي ولكن في أقل ٪ ، لا أستطيع أن أصدق كيف يجهل المشرع في المغرب ، في الوقت الذي لا 90 ٪ من الرجال المغاربة حتى الزواج بسبب الفقر ، في الوقت الذي 70 ٪ من النساء المغربيات غير متزوجين ل انهم لا يستطيعون العثور على زوج ، ومشرع قانون يخلق جديد لمنح النساء مزيدا من الحقوق في حالة زوجها يريد أن يتزوج امرأة أخرى ، ونتيجة لذلك 10 ٪ من الرجال الذين يستطيعون الحصول على زوجة ثانية ، توقفوا ويعيشون فقط مع النساء دون زواج ، لذلك كنت تقول لي ، وهذا هو القانون الجديد على المرأة المغربية؟ الشعب الوحيد الذي تزوج في المغرب الآن ، هي قتيلا الفقراء الذين لا يستطيعون تحمل وجود زوجة ثانية. في الوقت الذي هناك طن من النساء لا يستطعن الزواج في المغرب ، وقانون جديد يجعل من المستحيل للرجل في الحصول على زوجة ثانية ، أنت تقول لي ، هو أن ما تريده المرأة في المغرب؟ والأنصاري في البلد وأنا أقرأ عن هذه السيدة حتى لا تريد أن تجعل لإرسال زوج الى السجن اذا كان قد ممارسة الجنس مع زوجته من دون موافقتها ، وأنا لا أعرف ما دين أن سيدة هناك ، كما في الإسلام ، ينبغي أبدا زوجة رفض زوجها جنسيا إلا إذا حصلت على سبب طبي لذلك ، حتى أن سيدة ليصل هناك ، وقالت انها لم تتحدث عن تعليم المرأة والرعاية الصحية للنساء ، أو النساء وظيفة ، أي كل ما يهتم انها ترسل عن الزوج السجن اذا كان يجبر زوجته على ممارسة الجنس ، و ، وقالت انها لا تختلف عن المشرعين المغربي</description>
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<p>10 يونيو 2010<br />
01:25 المشكلة هنا مع هذا قانون الأسرة الجديد الذي كان كل خطأ ، والذي يوافق أي وقت مضى هذا القانون يضر المرأة في المغرب أكثر من ذلك ، لأنه قبل أن نبدأ في الحديث عن ما جعل المرأة المغربية متساوية للرجال والحصول على مزيد من الحقوق في حالة الطلاق ، وصانعي القانون ينبغي أن ننظر أولا في البلد بصفة عامة ، في هذا البلد ، بنسبة 90 ٪ من الرجال والنساء ليس لديهم عمل ، والجريمة إلى عنان السماء ، وأكثر من 60 ٪ من النساء لا تنتهي حتى مدرستهم الثانوية ، 10 ٪ من المغاربة غنية جدا و 90 ٪ ماتوا فقراء ، لا توجد طبقة وسطى ، في ذلك البلد قبل بدء البرلمان للتفكير في حق المرأة في حالة الطلاق ، يجب أن تخجل الأول ، تأكد من أن 100 ٪ من النساء الذهاب الى المدرسة الإلزامية والحصول على الأقل مدرسة عالية ، فيجب عليهم اعطاء المرأة لأول مرة الرعاية الطبية والعناية بالأسنان ، وفرص العمل ، ولكن هناك على الاطلاق اي تهتم المرأة الصحة والتعليم وفرص العمل في المغرب ، وهذا هو ينطبق حتى على الرجل المغربي ولكن في أقل ٪ ، لا أستطيع أن أصدق كيف يجهل المشرع في المغرب ، في الوقت الذي لا 90 ٪ من الرجال المغاربة حتى الزواج بسبب الفقر ، في الوقت الذي 70 ٪ من النساء المغربيات غير متزوجين ل انهم لا يستطيعون العثور على زوج ، ومشرع قانون يخلق جديد لمنح النساء مزيدا من الحقوق في حالة زوجها يريد أن يتزوج امرأة أخرى ، ونتيجة لذلك 10 ٪ من الرجال الذين يستطيعون الحصول على زوجة ثانية ، توقفوا ويعيشون فقط مع النساء دون زواج ، لذلك كنت تقول لي ، وهذا هو القانون الجديد على المرأة المغربية؟ الشعب الوحيد الذي تزوج في المغرب الآن ، هي قتيلا الفقراء الذين لا يستطيعون تحمل وجود زوجة ثانية. في الوقت الذي هناك طن من النساء لا يستطعن الزواج في المغرب ، وقانون جديد يجعل من المستحيل للرجل في الحصول على زوجة ثانية ، أنت تقول لي ، هو أن ما تريده المرأة في المغرب؟ والأنصاري في البلد وأنا أقرأ عن هذه السيدة حتى لا تريد أن تجعل لإرسال زوج الى السجن اذا كان قد ممارسة الجنس مع زوجته من دون موافقتها ، وأنا لا أعرف ما دين أن سيدة هناك ، كما في الإسلام ، ينبغي أبدا زوجة رفض زوجها جنسيا إلا إذا حصلت على سبب طبي لذلك ، حتى أن سيدة ليصل هناك ، وقالت انها لم تتحدث عن تعليم المرأة والرعاية الصحية للنساء ، أو النساء وظيفة ، أي كل ما يهتم انها ترسل عن الزوج السجن اذا كان يجبر زوجته على ممارسة الجنس ، و ، وقالت انها لا تختلف عن المشرعين المغربي</p>
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		<title>By: youssef</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-1424</link>
		<dc:creator>youssef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the problem here with this new family law that is was all wrong , who ever approve this law hurt the women in morocco even more , because fefore we start to talk about what making the moroccan women equal to men and have more rights in case of divorce , the law makers should first look at the country in general , in this country , %90 of men and women have no job , the crime is sky high , more than %60 of women don&#039;t even finish their high school , %10 of the moroccan are fulty rich and %90 are dead poor , there are no middle class , in such country before the lawmaker start to think about the women right in case of divorce , shy should first , make sure that %100 of women go to school mandatory and get al least high school , they should first give the women medical care , dental care , job , but there are absolutly no care about women health , education , job in morocco , that is even applies to the moroccan men but in less % ,  i can&#039;t believe how ignorant the lawmaker are in morocco , in the time which %90 of moroccan men don&#039;t even get married because of povery , in the time which %70 of oroccan women  are not married because they can&#039;t find a husband , the lawmaker a  creat new law to give the women more rights in case her husband want to marry another women , as a result of that the %10 of men who can affort to have a second wife , stoped and they just live with the women without marriage ,  so you tell me , is this new law help the moroccan women ?  the only peaple who get married in morocco now , are the dead poor peaple who they can&#039;t affort to have a seconf wife .in the time which there are tons of women can&#039;t get married in morocco , the new law make it impossible for the man to get a second wife , you tell me , is that what the women want in morocco ? and in a muslem country i read for that lady up there want to make to sent the husband to jail if he had sex with his wife without her approval , i don&#039;t know what religioun of that lady up there , as per islam , the wife should never reject her husband sexually unless she got a medical reason for that , so for that lady up there , she never talk about the women education , wemen health care , or women jobs , no all what she cares is about sending the husband to jail if he force his wife into sex , waw , she is no different than the moroccan lawmakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem here with this new family law that is was all wrong , who ever approve this law hurt the women in morocco even more , because fefore we start to talk about what making the moroccan women equal to men and have more rights in case of divorce , the law makers should first look at the country in general , in this country , %90 of men and women have no job , the crime is sky high , more than %60 of women don&#8217;t even finish their high school , %10 of the moroccan are fulty rich and %90 are dead poor , there are no middle class , in such country before the lawmaker start to think about the women right in case of divorce , shy should first , make sure that %100 of women go to school mandatory and get al least high school , they should first give the women medical care , dental care , job , but there are absolutly no care about women health , education , job in morocco , that is even applies to the moroccan men but in less % ,  i can&#8217;t believe how ignorant the lawmaker are in morocco , in the time which %90 of moroccan men don&#8217;t even get married because of povery , in the time which %70 of oroccan women  are not married because they can&#8217;t find a husband , the lawmaker a  creat new law to give the women more rights in case her husband want to marry another women , as a result of that the %10 of men who can affort to have a second wife , stoped and they just live with the women without marriage ,  so you tell me , is this new law help the moroccan women ?  the only peaple who get married in morocco now , are the dead poor peaple who they can&#8217;t affort to have a seconf wife .in the time which there are tons of women can&#8217;t get married in morocco , the new law make it impossible for the man to get a second wife , you tell me , is that what the women want in morocco ? and in a muslem country i read for that lady up there want to make to sent the husband to jail if he had sex with his wife without her approval , i don&#8217;t know what religioun of that lady up there , as per islam , the wife should never reject her husband sexually unless she got a medical reason for that , so for that lady up there , she never talk about the women education , wemen health care , or women jobs , no all what she cares is about sending the husband to jail if he force his wife into sex , waw , she is no different than the moroccan lawmakers.</p>
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		<title>By: uberVU - social comments</title>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 05:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fly</title>
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		<dc:creator>fly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 12:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amina: &quot;So I’d much rather see the needs of the disadvantaged addressed before trying to instill a vague concept of dignity.&quot;

Well, Syassator didn&#039;t talk about a &quot;vague concept of dignity&quot;. He actually referred to constitutional reforms, and I&#039;m guessing that he had in mind such things as separation of powers, popular consultation, etc.

If anything, the &quot;disadvantaged&quot; concept is the vague one, as it is always relative to the median. If you magically raised the income by 1000dhs for every person, you still end up with people who are worse off than others.

Your suggestion is pretty much pie-in-the-sky. Syassator&#039;s proposal, on the other hand, can be implemented provided there&#039;s a political will from the king. Observing the king&#039;s actions (and/or inactions) and dissecting his speeches, leaves one with the impression that no such will exists.

As for the status of women, the elephant in the room is Islam. The examples the author cites, Tunisia and Palestine, are secular states. Egypt was a secular state up until 1980. We, in Morocco, generally resent every whiff of secularism. The political elite even more so (because of the whole &quot;divine legitimacy&quot; issue). The impossibility to enshrine gender equality in the supreme law of the land stems from that. 

Ironically, the counter-argument from the establishment is that this dictatorial status-quo prevents Islamists from raising to power, and turning the place into a even more gender discriminative society. And I&#039;m afraid that this situation is more plausible than anti-Makhzenists would like to admit.

My jouj d&#039;ryal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amina: &#8220;So I’d much rather see the needs of the disadvantaged addressed before trying to instill a vague concept of dignity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, Syassator didn&#8217;t talk about a &#8220;vague concept of dignity&#8221;. He actually referred to constitutional reforms, and I&#8217;m guessing that he had in mind such things as separation of powers, popular consultation, etc.</p>
<p>If anything, the &#8220;disadvantaged&#8221; concept is the vague one, as it is always relative to the median. If you magically raised the income by 1000dhs for every person, you still end up with people who are worse off than others.</p>
<p>Your suggestion is pretty much pie-in-the-sky. Syassator&#8217;s proposal, on the other hand, can be implemented provided there&#8217;s a political will from the king. Observing the king&#8217;s actions (and/or inactions) and dissecting his speeches, leaves one with the impression that no such will exists.</p>
<p>As for the status of women, the elephant in the room is Islam. The examples the author cites, Tunisia and Palestine, are secular states. Egypt was a secular state up until 1980. We, in Morocco, generally resent every whiff of secularism. The political elite even more so (because of the whole &#8220;divine legitimacy&#8221; issue). The impossibility to enshrine gender equality in the supreme law of the land stems from that. </p>
<p>Ironically, the counter-argument from the establishment is that this dictatorial status-quo prevents Islamists from raising to power, and turning the place into a even more gender discriminative society. And I&#8217;m afraid that this situation is more plausible than anti-Makhzenists would like to admit.</p>
<p>My jouj d&#8217;ryal.</p>
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		<title>By: هند</title>
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		<dc:creator>هند</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>اسلوبك جيد جدا في كتابة العربية

احترم رأيك واتفق معك

تحياتي</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>اسلوبك جيد جدا في كتابة العربية</p>
<p>احترم رأيك واتفق معك</p>
<p>تحياتي</p>
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		<title>By: Syassator</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-497</link>
		<dc:creator>Syassator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>أعتذر مسبقا عن أسلوبي في كتابة العربية
بالنسبة إلي، المشاكل الإجتماعية دائما موجودة، إلا أنه بفعل إعتلاء المؤسسة العائلية، يصعب رؤية أو دراسة هاته المشاكل. اليوم، مع تفكك نسبي للمؤسسات التقليدية، يمكننا دراسة -و لملا، حل- هذه المشاكل. 
كل ما أريد أن أقول أن المدونة لم تخلق مشاكل إجتماعية، بل فقط أشهرتها، وهو في نظري شيء إجابي.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>أعتذر مسبقا عن أسلوبي في كتابة العربية<br />
بالنسبة إلي، المشاكل الإجتماعية دائما موجودة، إلا أنه بفعل إعتلاء المؤسسة العائلية، يصعب رؤية أو دراسة هاته المشاكل. اليوم، مع تفكك نسبي للمؤسسات التقليدية، يمكننا دراسة -و لملا، حل- هذه المشاكل.<br />
كل ما أريد أن أقول أن المدونة لم تخلق مشاكل إجتماعية، بل فقط أشهرتها، وهو في نظري شيء إجابي.</p>
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		<title>By: هند</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-494</link>
		<dc:creator>هند</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>مرحبا  ز


اشكر متابعتك واهتمامك, ردا على سؤالك نعم علينا الاعتراف ان المدونة كقانون اعطت للمراة بعض الحقوق وهدا واضح اليوم نجد النساء تطالب بالطلاق  بنوع من الثقة في النفس, كما نجد ان الرجل اصبح يفكر كثيرا قبل اخد قرار الطلاق, اليوم المراة تستطيع ان تزوج نفسها بدون حظور الولي او 12 شاهد كما هو في السابق هناك تغييرات مقارنة مع نساء ببلدان عربية اخرى حتى لو كانت  التغييرات بسيطة  الا انها موجودة وليس من المنطق نكرانها, طبعا ليس بالقوانين وحدها يمكن كفالة حق المراة  والدليل ان حتى المجتمعات المتقدمة ديمقراطيا لم تتخلص من ظاهرة العنف و اختصاب النساء .لان الطبع البشري وقوانين الطبيعة لا يمكن ان نغيرها مهما تقدمنا.زائد مختلف المشاكل الثقافية والاجتماعيةوالاقتصادية وغيرها.

بالنسبة لسؤالك التاني اتمنى ان اكون قد فهمته جيدا, لا احد ينكر المشاكل الاجتماعية والنفسية التي يمكن ان ينتجها الطلاق خاصة على الاطفال وهم جزء من المجتمع ,لكن بالمقال انا دكرت ان سجن الزوج عند عجزه عن اعطاء النفقة هو ما يمكنه ان ينتج عنه مشاكل كثيرة, فتخيل كيف سيعامل ام اطفاله التي تسببت في سجنه؟؟؟؟

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>مرحبا  ز</p>
<p>اشكر متابعتك واهتمامك, ردا على سؤالك نعم علينا الاعتراف ان المدونة كقانون اعطت للمراة بعض الحقوق وهدا واضح اليوم نجد النساء تطالب بالطلاق  بنوع من الثقة في النفس, كما نجد ان الرجل اصبح يفكر كثيرا قبل اخد قرار الطلاق, اليوم المراة تستطيع ان تزوج نفسها بدون حظور الولي او 12 شاهد كما هو في السابق هناك تغييرات مقارنة مع نساء ببلدان عربية اخرى حتى لو كانت  التغييرات بسيطة  الا انها موجودة وليس من المنطق نكرانها, طبعا ليس بالقوانين وحدها يمكن كفالة حق المراة  والدليل ان حتى المجتمعات المتقدمة ديمقراطيا لم تتخلص من ظاهرة العنف و اختصاب النساء .لان الطبع البشري وقوانين الطبيعة لا يمكن ان نغيرها مهما تقدمنا.زائد مختلف المشاكل الثقافية والاجتماعيةوالاقتصادية وغيرها.</p>
<p>بالنسبة لسؤالك التاني اتمنى ان اكون قد فهمته جيدا, لا احد ينكر المشاكل الاجتماعية والنفسية التي يمكن ان ينتجها الطلاق خاصة على الاطفال وهم جزء من المجتمع ,لكن بالمقال انا دكرت ان سجن الزوج عند عجزه عن اعطاء النفقة هو ما يمكنه ان ينتج عنه مشاكل كثيرة, فتخيل كيف سيعامل ام اطفاله التي تسببت في سجنه؟؟؟؟</p>
<p>هند</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Amina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course I agree that citizens should be treated with dignity. But I&#039;m not sure I agree that the dignity should precede the standard of living and education. And I&#039;m not confident that dignity can be restored with the current monarchy. Good grief, is there any dignity in watching people line up to greet the king, bending like chickens to peck a kiss on his hand as he pulls it distastefully away? Is there any dignity when a man is told to sign a government paper with an &quot;x&quot; because the assumption is he&#039;s bearded = he&#039;s  a religious zealot = he&#039;s illiterate.  

So I&#039;d much rather see the needs of the disadvantaged addressed before trying to instill a vague concept of dignity. Dignity will be achieved naturally when people feel enabled rather than trapped in dismal situations which the government clearly has money to fix. I mean, did Morocco really need to contract $841.9 million with Lockheed Martin for 24 F-16 fighter planes?! Aren&#039;t there more pressing issues? 

And I also agree that the Moudawana is political. It&#039;s carefully calculated by the government, as it serves as distraction from the greater problems plaguing Moroccan society, and allows  subtle moves away from Islamic rulings. Women feel slightly more empowered, it certainly helps protect some women, but it does little to restore faith in Moroccan society as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I agree that citizens should be treated with dignity. But I&#8217;m not sure I agree that the dignity should precede the standard of living and education. And I&#8217;m not confident that dignity can be restored with the current monarchy. Good grief, is there any dignity in watching people line up to greet the king, bending like chickens to peck a kiss on his hand as he pulls it distastefully away? Is there any dignity when a man is told to sign a government paper with an &#8220;x&#8221; because the assumption is he&#8217;s bearded = he&#8217;s  a religious zealot = he&#8217;s illiterate.  </p>
<p>So I&#8217;d much rather see the needs of the disadvantaged addressed before trying to instill a vague concept of dignity. Dignity will be achieved naturally when people feel enabled rather than trapped in dismal situations which the government clearly has money to fix. I mean, did Morocco really need to contract $841.9 million with Lockheed Martin for 24 F-16 fighter planes?! Aren&#8217;t there more pressing issues? </p>
<p>And I also agree that the Moudawana is political. It&#8217;s carefully calculated by the government, as it serves as distraction from the greater problems plaguing Moroccan society, and allows  subtle moves away from Islamic rulings. Women feel slightly more empowered, it certainly helps protect some women, but it does little to restore faith in Moroccan society as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Syassator</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Syassator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Amina : I must re-state my point : The Moudouwana was part of a political move, that&#039;s what I wanted to discuss about. 
Now, there are indeed priorities in improving standards of living for the common people, that&#039;s a token. Figures show that roughly 65% of the GDP is produced by women. The least thing to do is to grant women equal rights, and in some ways, the Moudouwana failed to do so. 

In essence, I understand your point : economic conditions must be improved in order to make sure people enjoy their rights. I partly agree on this. However, before standards of living to be improved, the basic thing to do is to treat Moroccans as citizens with dignity, which leads necessarily to a deep change in the law- and ultimately, the constitution- of the land. Would you be happy with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Amina : I must re-state my point : The Moudouwana was part of a political move, that&#8217;s what I wanted to discuss about.<br />
Now, there are indeed priorities in improving standards of living for the common people, that&#8217;s a token. Figures show that roughly 65% of the GDP is produced by women. The least thing to do is to grant women equal rights, and in some ways, the Moudouwana failed to do so. </p>
<p>In essence, I understand your point : economic conditions must be improved in order to make sure people enjoy their rights. I partly agree on this. However, before standards of living to be improved, the basic thing to do is to treat Moroccans as citizens with dignity, which leads necessarily to a deep change in the law- and ultimately, the constitution- of the land. Would you be happy with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Amina</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-477</link>
		<dc:creator>Amina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed - the ills of Moroccan society cannot be fixed by a new code of family law!  And really, with such an incredible number of Moroccans living in unfortunate or underprivileged circumstances, how on earth do most Moroccans stand to benefit from these laws? I mean, there are people sleeping under pieces of cardboard in my Moroccan &quot;suburban&quot; neighborhood, and yet the king has wealth coming out the gazoo? Clearly there are more important things to fix in Morocco. Let&#039;s try to get the majority up to a decent standard of living. Let&#039;s try to elevate the standard of public education, and its availability. Let&#039;s try to get the government to help support poor rural families so that they consider allowing their daughters to go to school rather than send them off to be maids. Let&#039;s try to give high school students hope that there is a promising future for themselves without having to &quot;escape&quot; to another country. I s it not pathetic that an uneducated Moroccan can go to Italy or Spain or the US, work as a waiter, and have money to spare to send home to his family, while a young Moroccan with a four-year university degree cannot find work that pays enough to support him in marriage? Where are the opportunities within the kingdom????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed &#8211; the ills of Moroccan society cannot be fixed by a new code of family law!  And really, with such an incredible number of Moroccans living in unfortunate or underprivileged circumstances, how on earth do most Moroccans stand to benefit from these laws? I mean, there are people sleeping under pieces of cardboard in my Moroccan &#8220;suburban&#8221; neighborhood, and yet the king has wealth coming out the gazoo? Clearly there are more important things to fix in Morocco. Let&#8217;s try to get the majority up to a decent standard of living. Let&#8217;s try to elevate the standard of public education, and its availability. Let&#8217;s try to get the government to help support poor rural families so that they consider allowing their daughters to go to school rather than send them off to be maids. Let&#8217;s try to give high school students hope that there is a promising future for themselves without having to &#8220;escape&#8221; to another country. I s it not pathetic that an uneducated Moroccan can go to Italy or Spain or the US, work as a waiter, and have money to spare to send home to his family, while a young Moroccan with a four-year university degree cannot find work that pays enough to support him in marriage? Where are the opportunities within the kingdom????</p>
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		<title>By: Syassator</title>
		<link>http://www.talkmorocco.net/articles/2010/03/ups-and-downs-of-the-moroccan-family-code/#comment-470</link>
		<dc:creator>Syassator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hind

I read your article with great interest, and, in many ways, I think we agree in the broad sets of conclusions. I have 2 questions though : 
- do you really think the 2003 Moudouwana was for improving Women&#039;s rights ?  
- why would you assume divorce and new social problems as negative issues ?
Looking forward for your reply

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hind</p>
<p>I read your article with great interest, and, in many ways, I think we agree in the broad sets of conclusions. I have 2 questions though :<br />
- do you really think the 2003 Moudouwana was for improving Women&#8217;s rights ?<br />
- why would you assume divorce and new social problems as negative issues ?<br />
Looking forward for your reply</p>
<p>Z</p>
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