I am actually Dutch but have lived and worked in Morocco now for just on 9 years. I am a securitiy consultant, married locally (before moving here), a father AND a Muslim for just over 30 years now.

I dispize Wilders for a number of reasons, his blatant hatred emeshed with popularist nationalism and his obvious finances and even ammunition coming from the Settler Movement is clear. Hirsi is a classic hypocrit that seeks the limelight first being a beloved of my country until her embarassing antics in parliament annoyed her so she moved to the US and now that country is “the best place on earth” exactly as she claimed my country was.

Having said this, their words and rhetoric is fueled by some realities that have to be understood. It is not based on imagination and nothing. The reality is often hard to accept for us Muslims because we feel anger at attacks on our faith rather than attacks on attitudes, radicalism and hypocrisies by those whom share our faith (albiet in ways we may not accept).

The sad reality is that there is a growing radicalism in Europe and the West in general that often exceeds the conservatism and hard-earned freedoms actually won over here in the real and actual Muslim World. The claim that the burka and the niqab is Islamic is disputed over here by the examples enough with Al-Azhar in Cairo banning them and calling them simply as “cultural”, though not banned in countries like Morocco, the fact is that we all accept those that wear them as being now a minority or in some cases as fringe and even with simpathy knowing that the Salafaist community force it upon their wives and daughters. Whilst this view in say here in Morocco is clear, somehow the Muslims in Europe make demands not on the freedom to do as one likes, but demanding it as being Islamic and some push it as being the real and only Islam.

I visited my old home in Rotterdam last Christmas and some shopkeepers asked for help as the Moroccans dominating that street (and they were Salafis) were demanding that Christmas trees and decorations have to be put away as it gave disrespect. I arrived and told them to put them up and when the ‘delegation’ arrived and made a scene I told them to take a visit to Marjane in Rabat or Casablanca and note the Christmas decorations, blow-up Santas for sale, the alcohol for sale and even the special section in the cold-area selling pork products. I also asked them when they are there to ask the opinions of the 99.9 per cent of Moroccans in Morroco to express the view that in Europe it should be more strict. They understood that their “con” had been exposed and they have been silent ever since.

That is the point, the radicals are not only having a free-run in the West but they are milking it for all that they can get it, they are claiming to represent us Muslims and there is no counter-balance against this injustice and harmful process EXCEPT the likes of Wilders and Hirsi and that is the problem.

DHH
Marrakech

Oh, grow up already! We’re not asking to stick anything up your wazoo. Just quit criminalizing consensual sexual relations between adults! The “norm” which is being established is one of equality before the law and reciprocity.

If you think it’s against your god’s law to lay with the same sex, simply don’t do it. If my god tells me that heterosexual sex is wrong, would you accept banning heterosexual acts because it’s against my god’s laws?

Look at what secularism has achieved in Turkey a nation that was ones a great and protector of Muslim Ummah,

Exactly! Secularism is the reason Turkey ranks pretty well on the democracy index. It is one of the few majority Muslim country that do not reinforce negative stereotypes about Islam.

Women are treated as equal in every way since the early 20th century. They can have abortions. They inherit the same way a man does. Etc…etc…

This is what makes it a great nation. Not war-mongering to spread religion by warfare, or implementation of a random god’s laws.

They have even gone to length of denying our muslim sisters the right to practice their religion and get education.

No sir. What they have done is force religion out of the public sphere.

I don’t subscribe to telling people how they should dress, but if Muslims weren’t so hell-bent on reviving the glorious past of the Ummah, the state probably wouldn’t have had to go to such great lengths to constrain Islamic hegemony and its terrible consequences.

more and more Turks are becoming more religious and the secularist who have ruined this great nation are loosing ground to majority of Turks who want to go back to their Islamic background and heritage

You wish! Truth is, Turkish society is more secular today than it has ever been. Just 30 years ago, a tiny minority saw religion as a private matter. That figure tripled in 3 decades.

More and more Turks are leaving Islam and recognizing their pre-Islamic background and heritage. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about. The scores of the AK party in the elections do effect the relentless shift in Turkish mores and values away from dogma and into the rational realm.

Secularism will never be excepted by Muslims, because it goes against Gods laws and anything that goes against Gods laws can never be excepted by muslims. There is no prophets to reform Islam, prophet Mohammed(pbuh) the last messenger of God died
+1400 years ago…We are not Christians or Jews who rewrite their holy books to fit in with the time

I don’t disagree with that. Hassan 2 very eloquently dispelled the myth of the secular Muslim.

What is funny, is that I would be accused of spreading Robert Spencer deceitful propaganda if I had written the same thing.

For every Muslim but the Suffi kind, Islam is as much a political system – if not more! – as it is a spiritual thing. Yet, anyone who says otherwise is accused of being an Islamophobe and what-not.

Anyway, thank you for your candor. Too many Muslims dodge this crucial issue.

I read on some anti-Sarkozy Muslim blog yesterday that 72% of French people of Muslim descent don’t have a problem with laicite as a principle. I was shocked! Because the obvious consequence is that the remaining 28% would establish charia if they could. But don’t tell anyone because we don’t want to “stigmatize” the poor Muslims.

Muslims are already being persecuted, by their own puppet leaders and the West

Could it possibly be the fact that Islam as practiced today is a backwards ideology incompatible with the modern world? No, never! It’s always the fault of the West, the Zionists, the Evangelists, the gay lobby, Ahmed Reda Benchemsi, Geert Wilders, Voltaire, Kant, and the local educated elite that tries to rule over people with a backwards mentality while doing damage control.

Sickening! Even my 9-year old daughter understands the concept of responsibility.

Nothing in this world happens without the will of god

What kind of twisted god lets children be raped, gased and torn to bits under his watch?

Don’t tell me. God is magically responsible for the “good things”, but the devil (which he made) is responsible for the “evil bits”.

Hahaa… Did you forget that the greatest killer the world has ever seen Stallion was Atheist who hated religions and killed at least 40 million

The Soviet Union had a cult around Stalin. That makes him as bad as any other so-called prophet. Stalin did not kill in the name of atheism. He murdered in the name of the working class.

So pray you go back to the true religion of your parents and grandparent and stop being parrot to the shaytan…

Neither my parents nor my grand-parents are Muslims. They’re agnostic atheists.

But it’s nice to see the tribal Islamic mentality laid bare. Far too many Muslims claim they’re Muslim by choice.

“To persecute homosexuals or so-called blasphemers is, in my opinion, the height of indecency. Humanist secularism is the only way we can guarantee peaceful coexistence. Otherwise, what’s stopping another group or nation from persecuting muslims?”

How is not excepting Homosexuality as the norm against indecency when it is against gods laws. Homosexuality is against human decency, because if you except it as something normal you are going against Gods laws and laws of nature. God made Adam(pbuh) and Hawa( may allah be pleased with her) for reason.

Look at what secularism has achieved in Turkey a nation that was ones a great and protector of Muslim Ummah, but today they have become nothing but a beggers. They have even gone to length of denying our muslim sisters the right to practice their religion and get education. But thanks to Turks becoming more aware of their religion and what the secularist, Atheist are doing to their nation… more and more Turks are becoming more religious and the secularist who have ruined this great nation are loosing ground to majority of Turks who want to go back to their Islamic background and heritage. Secularism will never be excepted by Muslims, because it goes against Gods laws and anything that goes against Gods laws can never be excepted by muslims. There is no prophets to reform Islam, prophet Mohammed(pbuh) the last messenger of God died
+1400 years ago…We are not Christians or Jews who rewrite their holy books to fit in with the time . We except the holy Quran as it’s and Sunnah of prophet Mohammed(pbuh).

Muslims are already being persecuted, by their own puppet leaders and the West, so we have no problem with that since it’s god’s will. Nothing in this world happens without the will of god, so we except our faith.

“Agnostic/atheist nations are more peaceful than other nations. It’s a fact. ”

Hahaa… Did you forget that the greatest killer the world has ever seen Stallion was Atheist who hated religions and killed at least 40 million of his

fellow people…. +40 million … Lets not forget the guy in Cambodia, and Communist China. Samira this cheerleading is not gone help you the day of judgement… Allah(Swt) is watching and judging our actions, our iman, and our remembrance and gratitude of one who created you and everything between Heavens and earth…. So pray you go back to the true religion of your parents and grandparent and stop being parrot to the shaytan…

Asalamo Alykum wa ramatullahi wa barakatu

Ramadan Karim

Yes. The same way many are becoming more aggressive in their criticism of Islam because of individuals who have made attacking universal human rights their jihads.

Homesexuality is something nobody who believes in god and decency should except as the norm

Frankly, I don’t mind if you believe in Christ, Allah or Zeus. That’s your own business as long as you don’t impose your ideology on others (state religion qualifies as an imposition). In fact, I would fight for everyone’s right to believe in whatever the hell they want to believe in. From believing in One or many gods to disbelieving in god, and everything in between. That is the crucial difference between you and me.

To persecute homosexuals or so-called blasphemers is, in my opinion, the height of indecency. Humanist secularism is the only way we can guarantee peaceful coexistence. Otherwise, what’s stopping another group or nation from persecuting muslims?

Agnostic/atheist nations are more peaceful than other nations. It’s a fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdtwTeBPYQA

Islam is not faith that compromise its believe to fit in with time like Christianity and Judism, who seem to ignore the teaching of their books when it comes to this subject and many more.

Christianity and Judaism didn’t just “ignore” the teachings of their books out of niceness. They were beaten into it. Repeatedly and forcibly. Over centuries. It’s called the enlightenment (an-nur as opposed to a-dulumat) and is just burgeoning in Muslim countries. So get cracking!

“The way many Moroccans have been harrassed for my non-faith in the name of Islam should tell you that Atheist is not insulting the faith but the political component of Islam.”

Atheist can only insult Islam behind computer screen or fareway, can you insult muslim directly infront of Morrocans who you think you are speaking for.

“Let me laugh at your glorification of the Moroccan past. I do not cherish a time of slavery, imperialistic wars and tribal mentality.”

You can laugh all you want, those muslims brought Europe out of the dark ages, and brought a reign of peace to all the lands they ruled… something unheard of that time. All Morrocan muslims should study and know that history and be proud of it.

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ihame/sec5.htm

“Islam is doomed to go the way of the do-do if you don’t restrain it in the public sphere fast.”

Hahaa… Do you really think Islam is doomed, look around you…. Muslims are becoming more more more religious, Islam as faith is the fastest growing faith in West, considering its the most hated, misunderstood faith in West thanks to Media owned by Zionist Jews, Christian right and Atheist like yourself. Your hate for islam is only making muslims more faithful to their religion, because they don’t want to become like you….corrupted by the Shaytan and lust for this world.

I hope you indulge all that this short life offers ….

Asalamo Alykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

Yes 99% of Morrocan brothers/sisters are muslims and many are becoming more restrict to islam, because of individuals who have made attacking Islam their jobs. What you are doing here is making Morrocans and muslims in general dislike Atheist and individuals like you even more.

Homesexuality is something nobody who believes in god and decency should except as the norm, so why would you condemn Muslims for excepting as norm something God hates. Islam is not faith that compromise its believe to fit in with time like Christianity and Judism, who seem to ignore the teaching of their books when it comes to this subject and many more.

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In surat ash-Sh`ara’, we read: ‘The people of Lot rejected the messengers. Their brother Lot said to them: ‘Will you not fear God? I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust. so fear God and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it. My reward is only from the Lord the of worlds. Of all the creatures of the world will you approach males, and leave those whom God has created for you as mates? Nay. You are people transgressing all limits.’ They said: ‘If you desist not O Lot, you will surely be cast out!’. He said: ‘I do detest your doings. O my Lord! Deliver me and my family from such things as they do.’ So we delivered him and his family, all except an old woman who lingered behind. The rest we destroyed utterly. We rained down on them a shower; and evil was the shower on those who were admonished.’ (Ash-Sh`ara’: 160-173)”

The Qur’an also says: ‘And Lot who said to his people: ‘Do you do what is indecent though you see its iniquity? Would you really approach men in your lusts rather than women? You are a people grossly ignorant.’ His people gave no answer but this: ‘Drive out the followers of Lot from our city. They are indeed men who want to be clean and pure.’ But we saved him and his family except his wife: We destined her to be of those who lagged behind. And We raked down on them a shower: and evil was the shower on those who were admonished.’ (An-Naml: 54-58)

“The main factor behind sexist inheritance laws is Islam.”

Is this why so many free minded woman in the West are excepting Islam and rejecting Western culture and believes. This Islam is abusive to woman has been tried over over by Western media,femenist groups, people who simply hate islam like you and Ayan Hirsi… But what they ignore is that there are more woman than man converting to islam I woman the West. These woman chose Islam because it gives them more value and freedom. They don’t have to be sex objects, they don’t have to look like models on the tv to be appealing… they excepted Islam as religion, because they don’t have to be sex objects or like certain way to be appreciated, all they have to do is be themself and be true to Allah(SWT)…

http://www.imamreza.net/eng/imamreza.php?id=6673

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBDJQbp7SWw&p=29711C9E568B26D9&playnext=1&index=73

I doubt 99% of Moroccans are Muslims. Declaring one’s opposition to Islam is prosecutable, and could be even lethal. So people just shut up.

The way many Moroccans have been harrassed for my non-faith in the name of Islam should tell you that Atheist is not insulting the faith but the political component of Islam.

Let me laugh at your glorification of the Moroccan past. I do not cherish a time of slavery, imperialistic wars and tribal mentality.

Islam is doomed to go the way of the do-do if you don’t restrain it in the public sphere fast.

So when you ask questions like why none muslims don’t have rights, you should blame the dictators that are protected by the West not the religion of Islam which allowed Christians and jews to worship freely long before Christian Europe tolerate any other religion and faith. When Islam ruled the muslim world the Jews and the Christians had the rights to worship freely without any discrimination… “Lakum deenukum waliya deeni”… You have your religion and I have mine… Simple as that… The discrimination, the hate for the jews and dislike, distrust for Christians only started recently…and can be blamed for colonilism that divided muslim ummah into 1000 of different nations and created the state of Isreal right in the heart of the muslims world. The disease in the muslim ummah is nationalism, tribalism, and cure for that is Islam …not turning for help the same people that want to keep muslims in their current condition… Morroco or Maghreb needs to remember how great it was the time of Ummayed or the west likes to call the Moors of spain…and the same way Turkey need to remember how great , respected and feared they were under the rule of ottoman compared to secularism that has reduced to once a great nation to beggers…

Islam is not Al qeada or Osama Bin Laden….Islam is message of the prophet Mohammed(pbuh) was given by Allah(SWT) and Sunnah is examples of the prophet Mohammed(pbuh) who was the closest thing to perfection.

BURNING:

003.181. 8.50, 17.97 : The penalty for disbelievers is Scorching Fire!
…Allah’s favorite punishment is burning the kuffar alive.Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some apostates publicly’Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”Bukha…ri, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 259:Allah’s Apostle sent us in a mission and said, “If you find so-and-so and so-and-so, burn both of them with fire”

Qur’an (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Bukhari (52:177) – Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.”

Abu Dawud (14:2526) – The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, “There is no god but Allah” and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

Bukhari (8:387) – Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

Samira remember the day of judgement when you stand infront of Allah(SWT) these Atheist won’t protect you from the wrath of Allah(swt), what will save you is your iman, you knowledge of Quran and your deeds. Cheerleading these Atheist will get you nowhere and when you become useless to them they will only discard you like a cheap whore….

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said:

“Whoever possesses the following three qualities will have the sweetness (delight) of faith:

1. The one to whom Allah and His Apostle becomes dearer than anything else.

2. Who loves a person and he loves him only for Allah’s sake.

3. Who hates to revert to Atheism (disbelief) as he hates to be thrown into the fire.”

(Hadith in Sahih Al-Bukhari)

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said,:

“Religion is very easy and whoever overburdens himself in his religion will not be able to continue in that way.

So you should not be extremists, but try to be near to perfection and receive the good tidings that you will be rewarded; and gain strength by worshipping in the mornings, the nights.”

(Hadith in Sahih Al-Bukhari)

Volume 1, Book 2, Number 10:

Narrated Abu Musa:

Some people asked Allah’s Apostle, “Whose Islam is the best? i.e. (Who is a very good Muslim)?” He replied, “One who avoids harming the Muslims with his tongue and hands.”

If you were concerned with the welfare of your fellow compatriots, you’d be out in the streets defending the right of non-Muslim Moroccans to drink water without getting beaten by a mob, by the cops and thrown in jail. Instead, and in typical Muslim fashion, you blame Christians and Jews.

On the face of it, the believers and the munafiqs may indeed seem as though they perform the same worship. However, the believers are “those who humble themselves in their prayers” (Al-Mu’minun: 2) and earn the good pleasure of Allah SWT. The munafiqs, on the other hand, are described: “The hypocrites – they think they are over-reaching Allah SWT But He will over-reach them: when they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen of men, but little do they hold Allah SWT in Rememberance.” (Al-Mu’minun:142) and they are subjected to Allah SWT’s grievous penalty because of their hypocrisy and unfaithfulness. So, a munafiq does not seem to be a non-religious person “from the outside”. Rather, he is a person who says that he believes in Allah SWT and performs most of the acts of worship.

“In one of the Hadiths of Prophet Muhammad SAW, it is said that “a hypocrite, when he speaks, tells lies, when he promises, breaks his promise. They abandon the believers in a slightest moment of difficulty and side with the adversaries of the believers. Their real character is revealed in times of distress.” “